Announcing D&D Experience UK!

[Kithran]

was talking from playing for real in my home campaign

not LFR

im sure progress in LFR will be slower....especially if encounters are tweaked to max bad guy advantage like happens in LG

Home campaign is always going to be faster (and so are things like LG & LFR if you always play with exactly the same group) compared to LG/LFR in a convention environment. In the home environment players know what the others can do thus combat goes faster, gm's have a better idea of player's capabilities (so they call fights sooner) etc. If you get through 10+ encounters in a home game in a four hour session then you should be levelling each session.

Kithran

[pedr]

Well, PREV-1 would give 675xp to a party of five, as written. It has five encounters, but the final one is almost unbeatable and would be unlikely to exist in LFR.

PREV-2 is slightly more survivable, and has 600xp for a party of five, plus the XP for a skill challenge which I'm not sure how to work out. Including the skill challenge, it also has five encounters.

This is only including XP for encounters - LFR might also award XP for quests etc.

[Kithran]

Well, PREV-1 would give 675xp to a party of five, as written. It has five encounters, but the final one is almost unbeatable and would be unlikely to exist in LFR.

PREV-2 is slightly more survivable, and has 600xp for a party of five, plus the XP for a skill challenge which I'm not sure how to work out. Including the skill challenge, it also has five encounters.

This is only including XP for encounters - LFR might also award XP for quests etc.

The PREV adventures shouldn't be taken as guidleines - remember they were written to introduce peolpe to 4E, and also had to allow for the fact that both gms and players were unfamiliar with the rules. I do know at DDXP in the US quite a few of the first few tables didn't finish in time, whereas by the end of the con many were ending an hour or more early, with exactly the same adventure.

Kithran

[CharlesRyan]

how slow?

in my POL using all the 'rules' and encounter set ups in the DMG id say you could get a level a 4 hour session (with 10 -14 encounters of one sort or another in 4 hours), maybe 75-80% of a level per session

maybe ive been GMing it all wrong!!!

My KotS group got through about an encounter per hour, on average, when you roll in all the non-encounter activity that also takes place. Of course, they're not the quickest or most focused group in the world. . . .

[Mick Red]

I think that's a fair observation. I have characterised UK Roleplayers to other roleplaying friends as having a very heavy "Indie" and anti-D&D lobby. It's unfortunate really. I think that those members of the site who DO prefer D&D or like it, generally couldn't be bothered to rise to the bait of arguing about it. But then, that's gamers for you.

Ive been looking over some of the D&D forums, and quite frankly, you could say us posters at UKRoleplayers are totally mild mannered compaired to some posters over there, why should people not post pro D&D stuff here? Do you really care what peoples (mine, avatars, whoevers) opinions of it are? My favorite games sucks aswell to some so what, i think this forum is dogged by far to many crybabies (not nessessarily refering to anyone who has posted in this thread but in general), we all have differing opinions and thats a good thing, thats a one thing you can guarrentee on this forums a mighty fine debate , i like to see peoples thoughts on both sides of the fence

[thenovalord]

we all have differing opinions and thats a good thing, thats a one thing you can guarrentee on this forums a mighty fine debate , i like to see peoples thoughts on both sides of the fence

this is fine.

unfortunately quite often it based on assumption and not observation. For example slamming edition 6 of game, you havent played since edition 2 OR commenting that a con sucks when in fact you didnt go to this years, or the previous 4, but had a bad time when you went 8 years ago.

[Mick Red]

For example slamming edition 6 of game, you havent played since edition 2 OR commenting that a con sucks when in fact you didnt go to this years, or the previous 4, but had a bad time when you went 8 years ago

Touche

However, what makes you think people havent tried or been? Thats very presumptious, Morgoth calls D&D4 an abonimation of a boardgame yet he is playing LFR, people may have bought and read the rules (i certainly have read them) why would our opinion be any less than yours? As for conventions i know that this was probably aimed at me so ill answer in the first person, any particular con (for example lets say Gencon ) can only appeal if its got the right stuff for the gamer, i know you will not please everyone, but you can at least listen to what people are saying, if you fail to do that then you will loose that persons custom and goodwill. As we are using Gencon as an example lets refer to the all ticket option of Bognor, people were begging them not to do it and told them they were making a massive mistake, the next time they thought, **** we made a massive mistake, what we will do this time is charge a massive entry fee then charge people for every game they play, once again they were told by potential attendees that they were making a massive mistake, lo and behold they were so this year reverted to the one fee to rule them all that we had been telling them they should have been doing 4 years ago, but people are fickle (myself included). But saying that people say a particluar con sucks even though they didnt go isnt really true, if you read other posts on these forums people (once again myself included) have stated that apparantly this year Gencon was a success, however a little to late for me!! Maybe next year if under new managment

[thenovalord]

was commenting on your statement, not on the whole gencon thing

differnt opinions, other side of the fence, intersting debate....yep all good.....except where i point out where peoples view sometimes come from

Im probably as guilty as any, with for example CoC...played it in my early roleplaying years, in two 'campaigns' (cant think better word). Didnt like it, neither mechanic or setting. Thus havent played it for say 15+years, but still occassionally pipe up and say it sucks!!

[Mick Red]

Ive been playing Coc for the last 20 years and loved it but now i tend to agree im no longer interested in 'vannilla' cthulhu
Trail of cthulhu however is a different matter

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Trail of cthulhu however is a different matter

Yeah, always best to go along with the latest kewl version of a game.

[lawrenson]

Wow, this thread was totally dead for 3 months and Mick STILL managed to resurrect it to have a good Troll.

Got to hand it to him, he could pick a fight in an empty room!

Cheers,
Karen
House Atreides